Here is one of the comments under my article, calling the Pope, the Vicar of Christ on earth, "The Destroyer".
Cardinal Raymond Burke has accused Pope Francis of causing “great damage to the Church”. At the Synod an Ukrainian Bishop held up to Pope Francis a copy of the Cathecism of the Catholic Church, calling upon him to study it. The Franciscans of the Immaculate who done absolutley no wrong were destroyed by permission of Pope Francis. Pope Francis suspended a Paragueyan Bishop without giving him a reason. Pope Francis in the words of Pope Benedict XVl, done the outrageous, “Summorum Pontificum has been wounded”. It is no secret that Pope Francis has been leaving a swath of destruction behind him. I’m sorry to say that this article, in what concerns Pope Francis is only a fantasy. St. Francis of Assisi gave the prophecy of this Pope calling him, “The Destroyer”, can’t argue with that.
Nov. 23 at 9:31am | See in context
Freda, I wish I could console you with peace! "Don't worry, be happy!"
The Church will not fail. Don't we have Our Lord's promise that it won't? Hasn't it survived much worse crises of confusion than this? How about the 4th century, when 3/4s of the bishops were professing Arianism? How about the corrupt Popes of the Rennaisance, or the time when the faithful weren't sure whether the real Pope was in Avignon or in Rome?
And then there was the Prostestant Reformation.
And, as I said before, the reports from the Synod are not teachings of the Church; they are reports. The Synod will only conclude its discussions a year from now.
Further, look at Jesus' teaching. It wasn't always crystal clear, was it? In fact, it was often open to misinterpretation and caused much confusion, even among His closest disciples. Some found it so hard to understand that they walked away.
The teaching of the Church always has been and always will be a scandal if we approach it expecting to have own views ratified. It is meant to shake us out of our complacency and challenge us to deeper faith and deeper conversion.
Nov. 23 at 9:21am | See in context
DI, are you not making yourself, rather than the Church, the arbiter of Truth? It's easy to say the Church doesn't go far enough in granting freedom if you're not concerned with obedience to Truth. Likewise, it's easy to demand a much more authoritarian approach to enforcing doctrine, if you're not concerned with freedom. (This is what many traditionalists do, when they castigate the Pope for not cracking down.)
The Church is concerned with both freedom and truth.
Nov. 23 at 9:07am | See in context
DI, the word limit came about after experience of the problem of long-windedness. We wanted to keep our discussions as pithy as possible, so as not to discouraged readers. It seems to work.
Often a person will respond with two or three comments, if he needs more words to make his point. But if he really needs more than that, we encourage him to write a member post, where he can fill out his thinking without the limit.
About the temporariness of cut ties. Yes, we have reason to hope they'll be restored eventually, since "everything that rises must converge." The only problem is that not everything rises. There is such a thing in our doctrines as hell.
If we excommunicate ourselves and refuse to recognize and repent the truth of our condition before God, and reject every chance He offers us to change our minds, then we cut ties forever, with Him and with everything good.
Nov. 23 at 8:40am | See in context
Thanks for the kind words, Gary. I really think that this basic insight of JP II's personalism—I mean the way the master/slave hermeneutic menaces post-Eden human relations (including between the sexes) and how the gospel challenges us to replace it with self-donating love and service—is only beginning to be grasped in the Church. We all have a lot of habits to unlearn.
Nov. 23 at 8:23am | See in context
Thanks to Katie and all the others for their ideas and comments. I am still learning! As the father of 4 daughters and 4 granddaughters, this is very pertinent. As the oldest child from a family of 5, I know my parents expected more from me (and I resented that at times). There was no doubt, however, that I had a certain prestige and more priveleges as the top dog in the house. I like Katie's thoughts along these lines . . . a helpful piece for me to read and ponder.
Nov. 23 at 6:12am | See in context
Stellatum, Abby T.; Katie,
I composed an earlier 200-worder*, but I wanted to await the addressed's reply. For now though - it's been some hours - I do will Ask:
How would you tie in "whoever does not gather with me scatters"-Matthew 12:30? And, faith in: "I [Jesus] will draw everyone to myself"-John 12:32; and, "that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend"-Phillipians 2:10, and "for it is written: 'As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bend before me, and every tongue shall give praise to God.'"-Romans 14:11? And, further, if we also have faith that "'It will come to pass in the last days,' God says, 'that I will pour out a portion of my spirit upon all flesh.'"-Acts 2:17, does that not imply that every "cut tie" is only, at "worst", a (temporarily?) "slackened tie"?
*I find the 200 word limit intriguing: can I ask how it came about? There is a saying popular with the young these days, "(keep it) 100", and the 200 limit here, then, has me considering Elisha's "double portion", which itself has me considering the Levitical double-frameS for maternal purification after the birth of a female versus a male
Nov. 22 at 8:56pm | See in context
Part 2 of comment:
As a convert, I am deeply disappointed in what is going on. I had depended on Church teaching authority for an understanding of doctrine -- and I also depended upon the magisterium when teaching others. When in doubt, I have turned to the writings of the Saints, Newman and DVH, etc.
Right now, I think I speak for most reacent converts (including all those hapless Anglican communities) when I say that I wonder about my own "faith" in the "Church"-at least as represented by its current teaching authority --these bishops and Cardinals -- and yes, all in authority who have deliberately created this confusion.! I feel like a child of divorcing parents. The bishops are ignoring the terrible harm they are doing to the faith and understanding of us little ones -- all of us and our students, all who have hoped in the Church . I do think it is time to calm down and make up -- stop accusing one another and start focusing on the sheep.
Nov. 22 at 5:54pm | See in context
Katie, (Part 1 of comment). Thank you for your responses -- and for your patient tone. In reference to conservative cricisms, you say,
"The problem with this kind of attitude and talk has nothing to do with commitment to dogma. It has rather to do with a profound lack of faith in the Church and the way truth (in the sense of its practical application in the here and now) is worked out through dialog and debate. "The collision of mind with mind," as Newman put it.
I have not yet seen the comments,o (but I did read your article in paper copy and I was quite impressed telling all my friends -- "why, I know her!")
But even when I read the comments, I doubt that I will be in a position to know what is a genuine attempt to work out the truth and what is just a "lack of faith in the Church"
Nov. 22 at 5:42pm | See in context
lots of finery to choose from above, but:
Katie and Stellatum[snip] Second, there is the community of spirit. Here we have individuals cooperating to create something worthwhile for human kind, e.g. the development of an art museum or philosophical study club. The third type of community is the community of the heart. Here we have the profoundest sharing and enrichment.
I'm not sure I quite comprehend your distinction, but I'm also not sure I need to to support you at this time. Howison, p.188:
The doctrine which thus comes to light, that in art man not only shares literally in the creative office of God, but enriches Nature with new members that express its divine Ground in a still higher form, will seem to many overbold -- extravagant and irreverent. But its advocates are neither few nor inconsiderable; ..."
The true artist worships, and must worship, God;
And thus every work of art is and must be an embodied Theodicy - a symbol of the justification of the ways of God to man, ...
...poetry rightfully takes the highest place...
"we are here for all of us"?:
Nov. 22 at 5:36pm | See in context
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