Amazon.com Widgets

Tony Palmer

Joined: Apr. 25, 2012

No bio


Most recent posts by Tony Palmer:     (See all of them)


No posts yet


Latest comments by Tony Palmer:     (See all of them)


Re: One More Time: Man and Woman, Head and Heart, Equality and Complementarity

Sep. 27 at 2:20pm | see this comment in context

In that way, the passage in Ephesians serves as a "corrective" to the example of Adam and Eve in the fall.  (Thus  the connection to Gn in 5:31).  There too we tend to focus on Eve's response to temptation and forget that Adam, who was created first and given some providential primacy, stood there silent and passive.  The order of creation was upheaved and Adam, God's first born who named the animals and "knew" the mind of God, failed to protect his bride.  Thus, Paul speaks "in reference to Christ and the church" because he is talking about a restoration of the original beauty of creation; a restoration that was incarnated in the person of Christ, the all-powerful who became the servant of all.  

Re: One More Time: Man and Woman, Head and Heart, Equality and Complementarity

Sep. 27 at 2:11pm | see this comment in context

I may get out of my depth quickly here but as a psychologist I have had many occassions on which to consider this passage in Ephesians.  

Contrary to our typical focus on 5:22 the passage seems to me to place any standards, "burdens" or responsibilities squarely on the shoulders of the husband.  Although the exhortation for wives to be subordinate to their husbands comes first and grabs our attention it becomes almost trivial in the light of the full context.  Even if 5:22 was meant to communicate subordination in the deferential sense, what wife would quibble about being subordinate to the husband who lived according to v. 25-29?  The problem we are called to recognize then is not wives' lack of subordination but husbands' lack of purity and virtue.  It seems to me not out of line to read the passage as "wives be subordinate to your husbands to the extent that they are the image of Christ".  And this in fact is a model for all relationships - to the extent that another personifies Christ I am called to "follow" that person as I would follow Christ.    

Stay informed

Latest comments

  • Re: Pitfalls of Asserting Gender Roles
  • By: Katie van Schaijik
  • Re: Becoming Who You Are, Even If You're Not Sure Who That Is
  • By: Devra Torres
  • Re: Becoming Who You Are, Even If You're Not Sure Who That Is
  • By: Samwise
  • Re: Becoming Who You Are, Even If You're Not Sure Who That Is
  • By: Katie van Schaijik
  • Re: Becoming Who You Are, Even If You're Not Sure Who That Is
  • By: Devra Torres
  • Re: Becoming Who You Are, Even If You're Not Sure Who That Is
  • By: Katie van Schaijik
  • Re: Becoming Who You Are, Even If You're Not Sure Who That Is
  • By: Kate Whittaker Cousino
  • Re: Testing for soundness in relationships
  • By: SarahG
  • Re: Testing for soundness in relationships
  • By: Katie van Schaijik
  • Re: Testing for soundness in relationships
  • By: SarahG

Latest active posts

Reading circles

Lectures