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Re: Are wives supposed to submit to their husbands?

Aug. 8 at 5:22pm | see this comment in context

I join everyone here in not being an exegete. Caveat emptor.

 Katie van Schaijik says:

. . . I don't think God says or that the Church teaches that men are supposed to be the leaders in marriage.  I think that's what we (in our fallen condition) have read into the passage.

 The actual passage in Ephesians reads thus (NIV):

Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

I agree that the way some Christians have interpreted this passage has far too much of the world"s "I'm in charge here!" view of headship instead of Jesus' model of servant leadership. However inferring, especially in the absence of good exegesis, that the husband's role carries no responsibility of leadership seems to me quite a stretch. Just my $.02.

Re: Forgiveness and dysfunction

Jul. 10 at 12:21am | see this comment in context

I appreciate what you say and agree with most of it -- the rest I will chew on and  probably come around to.

I think one application of forgiving the unrepentant that differs from the examples you offer is this: Sometimes forgiveness isn't aimed at restoring a relationship or releasing someone from the penalty for their actions. It is done by someone who is bound up in bitterness and needs to let go of it, regardless of whether their abuser (or other wrongdoer) is repentant or not. 

We're handicapped by the language -- there isn't a good word for these different applications of forgiveness. But I think, however you deal with the semantics, becoming able to put down the resentment, bitterness and anger that so reasonably can result from an injustice is not the same as coming to believe that one wasn't really harmed or that the act wasn't sinful or even evil. It's not the same as deciding not to take rightous steps within the court system or not ensuring your or others' future safety. It's allowing God to heal what's going on in you and trusting God's justice and mercy.

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